9 - Chapter: When Does Orphanhood End?

2873 - Ahmad ibn Salih narrated to us, Yahya ibn Muhammad al-Madini narrated to us, Abdullah ibn Khalid ibn Sa'id ibn Abi Maryam narrated to us, from his father, from Sa'id ibn Abd al-Rahman ibn Ruqaysh, that he heard elders from the Banu Amr ibn Awf and from his maternal uncle Abdullah ibn Abi Ahmad, who said:

Ali ibn Abi Talib said: I memorized from the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him: "There is no orphanhood after puberty, and no silence for a day until night."(1)

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And al-Hasan and al-Nakha'i said: He eats and does not make it up (i.e., the fasting of a child who has reached the age of fasting).

And Ubaydah al-Salmani, Sa'id ibn Jubayr, and Mujahid said: He eats and pays it (i.e., the expiation) on his behalf when he grows up, and this is the saying of al-Awza'i.

(1) His saying: "There is no orphanhood after puberty" is good (hasan) due to other supporting narrations, but this chain of transmission is weak due to the weakness of Khalid ibn Sa'd ibn Abi Maryam and Yahya ibn Muhammad al-Madini - who is Ibn Abdullah ibn Mihran. Al-Uqayli declared this chain weak in "Al-Du'afa" 4/428, as did Abd al-Haqq al-Ishbili in his "Al-Ahkam al-Wusta", Ibn al-Qattan al-Fasi in "Bayan al-Wahm wa al-Iham" 3/536-537, and al-Mundhiri in "Mukhtasar al-Sunan", but al-Nawawi declared it hasan in "Riyad al-Salihin".

It was also recorded by al-Uqayli in "Al-Du'afa" 4/428, al-Tabarani in "Al-Awsat" (290) and in "Al-Saghir" (266), al-Bayhaqi 6/57, and al-Mizzi in "Tahdhib al-Kamal" in the biography of Abdullah ibn Abi Ahmad, via the route of Abdullah ibn Khalid ibn Sa'id, with this chain.

And it was recorded by al-Tabarani in "Al-Awsat" (6564) and in "Al-Saghir" (952), and from his route al-Khatib al-Baghdadi in "Tarikh Baghdad" 5/299, and al-Diya' al-Maqdisi in "Al-Mukhtarah" (683), via the route of Alqamah ibn Qays al-Nakha'i, from Ali ibn Abi Talib. Al-Tabarani said: No one narrated this hadith from Alqamah except Ibrahim, and no one narrated it from Ibrahim except Aban ibn Taghlib, and no one narrated it from Aban except Musa ibn Uqbah, and no one narrated it from Musa except Muhammad ibn Ja'far [ibn Abi Kathir]. Muhammad ibn Ubayd al-Tabban was unique in narrating it from his father, and we only wrote it from this shaykh - meaning: Muhammad ibn Sulayman ibn Harun al-Sufi al-Misri. =